Ezra Klein meanders in this lengthy interview with Ta-Nehisi Coates, seeming to advocate for and against humanism at different points of the conversation. However, one point I do agree with is this: “The idea that political coalition-building, building across these gigantic differences, building across public opinion — both not just as you wish it existed, but as it exists — has often become seen and treated as betrayal, cowardice, moral fallibility.” A consequence of our decaying education.

Opinion | Ta-Nehisi Coates on Bridging Gaps vs. Drawing Lines
The writer Ta-Nehisi Coates joins Ezra Klein on the show to discuss how the left should think about the work of politics and persuasion in this moment.
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