I just discovered a pretty nice new podcast, by journalists Ian Dunt and Dorian Lynskey. Dunt is the author of "How To Be A Liberal", which is perhaps best in class among the recent crop of popular defenses of liberalism. The linked episode is on Ayn Rand, where the hosts are ... not fans but nor are they dismissive. Their episode on the word "woke" is really good as well.
Origin Story: Ayn Rand: The ego has landed on Apple Podcasts
Show Origin Story, Ep Ayn Rand: The ego has landed - 14 Nov 2022
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